tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post128255756750942720..comments2023-11-30T00:29:08.106-08:00Comments on Animal Pharm: Two Case Studies -- Diarrhea-IBS and Constipation-IBS and GI Fx Stool Test: Overgrowth of Pathobiont Klebsiella, Fungi Rhodotorula and super-low commensal ClostridiaDr. B Ghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15451872961651116061noreply@blogger.comBlogger157125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-43922622254486490462014-09-11T20:34:18.095-07:002014-09-11T20:34:18.095-07:00My Metametrix GI Effects test shows high SCFA, whi...My Metametrix GI Effects test shows high SCFA, which they then deduce as evidence of protein malabsorption. Is it possible that this result is actually reflecting high coconut milk intake, or some other food that might elevate SCFA?P1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10150386241231733361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-66343895706386143442014-04-21T07:27:53.031-07:002014-04-21T07:27:53.031-07:00Thank you, again, for your help, Grace! :)
Yes, I...<br /><br />Thank you, again, for your help, Grace! :)<br /><br />Yes, I had to take Metronidazole and Trimethoprim for the blastocystis hominis, so probably that destroyed what was left of my beneficial bacteria. I took another test a few months after the antibiotics and fortunately still had some bifidos left (and this time they detected some lactobacilli as well). <br /><br />The overgrowths detected are: <br /><br />1st testing (about 12 months ago):<br />alpha haemolytic Streptococcus 2+<br />gamma haemolytic Streptococcus 3+<br />Bacillus species 2+<br />Mucoid Eschericia coli 2+<br />beta strep (not group A or B) 4+<br />Rhodotorula species 1+<br /><br />2nd testing (about 6 months ago, after the antibiotics and nystatin):<br />gamma haemolytic Streptococcus 3+<br />bacillus species 1+<br />Mucoid Eschericia coli 4+<br />Haemolytic Eschericia coli 4+<br />Streptococcus agalactiae gp B 2+<br />candida kruseii 1+ <br /><br />So, the problem seems to be the e-colis and the streptococci. All of these are supposed to be non-pathogenic bacteria and yeast but, of course, no heavy growths like these are not desired.<br /><br />As probiotics I'm taking Prescript Assist, Probiotic-3, Mutaflor/e-coli Nissle (I started this again about a week ago), some lactobacilli (including plantarum), some bifidos, VSL#3 and some others. I have planned a trip to ethnic food store to get something containing licheniformis, too, but haven't had time to go there yet. And thank you for the Heisenbug tip, I hadn't heard about the blog! Must go and see if it's helpful for me :)<br /><br />I haven't tried banana flour or plantain yet but I'll try to find these somewhere. And I'll keep taking potato starch even though it makes me bloated. How long did it take for you, Grace, to get rid of the bloating following the 7 steps? I'll be able to handle the bloating if I know I'm going to the right direction with all this. I was also wondering if it's a problem that I've taken psyllium flour instead of husk because it's easier to get. Maybe I'll have to change that, too.<br /><br />BTW, do you think dysbiosis could be the reason for elevated calcitriol in my blood? I'm in the understanding that infections may elevate the calcitriol levels and I have no idea what that infection might be. At least the CDSA shows there shouldn't be an infection in my gut except for the dysbiosis.<br /><br />And one more thing: I heard that AOR Probiotic-3 will be out of market for months because they have to renew a license for it and it may take months! So this isn't a great news to any of us, I suppose :( I just found out I lack clostridia and I have no idea where else to get it from. Hopefully there is some in the soil of my garden and forests where I walk and dig the ground in (I actually ate some dirt when I was at the cabin this weekend, I hope it helps…).<br /><br />Have a great week (all of you)!<br /><br />-Liisa-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-60697897670675655632014-04-21T01:41:57.271-07:002014-04-21T01:41:57.271-07:00Liisa,
What overgrowths were decected on any of t...Liisa,<br /><br />What overgrowths were decected on any of the testing?<br /><br />Have you tried plantain or g banana flour yet? If you can't find these then what I do is arabinogalactan or inulin to feed the benficial bifidobacter and lactobacilli.<br /><br />I'm sorry the costs are so enormous so I guess the CDSA is more cost effective for now? If the bloating is excessive (I had some too), then consider the value of re-seeding the gut first then later feeding the probiotics. Walking and exercise is beneficial because often in SIBO there's intestinal stagnation. For me jogging or walking 20 min after meals was effective to overcome the stagnation and a great way to get fresh air (or in Shanghai, pollution LOL). you are absolutely correct that RS may feed RS-consumers in the small intestines but the 7 steps helps minimize as much as possible.<br /><br />Iron may feed the microbes but for anemia, it provides oxygenation capacity for the red blood cells and you won't feel so crappy ;)<br /><br />Ultimately anemia is secondary likely to severe gut problems so I believe it is great that you are following up on all your gut feelings (pun).<br /><br />Which probiotics are you using?<br /><br />Your results you said beneficial: Lactobacillus species: NG<br />Escherichia coli: NG<br />Bifidobacterium: 2+<br /><br />If you used strong antibiotics to get rid of B hominii, then even less of the above are available.<br /><br />In Europe E coli NISSLE strain is popular and great as a probiotic. We don't have in the States for probably ridiculous reasons.<br /><br />Are you getting any Lactobacilli probiotics, particularly L plantarum which is a fantastic soil based organisms? It is in some kraut but for gut rehab, higher than what is found in food is necessary in trials.<br /><br />Do you read a blog called Heisenbug? He's fantastic and talks a lot about L planturum which cured his eczema.<br /><br />gDr. B Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15451872961651116061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-60804746527727091022014-04-14T12:30:00.418-07:002014-04-14T12:30:00.418-07:00Thank you, Grace, so much for your comments! And y...Thank you, Grace, so much for your comments! And yes, I've read practically all your posts on this blog! This is <br /><br />I would very much like to do the Metametrix GI Fx and ONE -tests (haven't heard about GI 2200 before - have to do some research!) but the first isn't available in Finland (as far as I know) and the other costs something like 450 euros (the price is too crazy for me right now). <br /><br />However I have some more new information on my gut bacteria. I went through my old papers and found out I'm low on "eubacteria clostridium" (or at least I was last fall when this test was done). These bacteria, they say, eat polysaccharides, so maybe potato starch is the key here? I was also wondering if cellulose fiber would be a good idea to add to my regime? That's pure insoluble fiber and therefore good for this bacteria, right?<br /><br />The CDSA2-test was done about one year ago and the second one (only microbiology and parasites) was done about 7 months ago. So all the information is quite old. I have taken tons of probiotics for about a year now but didn't realize I have to feed them too, so maybe that's the reason I haven't succeeded yet? I have taken potato starch and psyllium for only about a month now. I get bloated from it, so I'm a little concerned that the starch is fermenting in the small intestine (because of SIBO). Is there anything I can do about it except for taking psyllium with it (which I'm already doing) and walking as much as I can? Or should it get better with time?<br /><br />Actually, if one has SIBO, isn't it a bad idea to take RS? Or will it somehow help removing the bacteria from small intestine? Do you know (or have an educated guess) how this thing works?<br /><br />And one more thing: I just found out I'm iron-deficient as well (not yet anemic, though, for some reason). Do you think it's a good idea to supplement iron or will it feed the bad bacteria? I think low iron may be a reason for many of my symptoms and therefore I think it would be important to supplement it.<br /><br />Forgive me for asking so many questions (I know you are extremely busy) but I'm trying to learn the mechanism behind all this. Can't help myself :D<br /><br />LiisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-66341583301274267232014-04-09T19:14:21.827-07:002014-04-09T19:14:21.827-07:00JLowBug,
I'm sorry if you emailed me -- pleas...JLowBug,<br /><br />I'm sorry if you emailed me -- please try again. If anyone experiences a rash, definitely some vipers are in zoo! Targeted weeding would be considered beneficial. It could be overgrowths of parasites, yeasts or any pathogenic bacteria FYI.<br /><br /><br />Liisa -- what is the time frame for the CDSA report and treatment? Have you repeated or considered doing the Genova GI 2200 panel instead? This yields far more information. Consider also the ONE, optimal nutri eval. You will get mild idea of the toxin burden (plastics, environmental) etc.Dr. B Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15451872961651116061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-22379997124394418862014-04-09T19:00:36.819-07:002014-04-09T19:00:36.819-07:00Steve,
Thx for your kind comments. I think raw or...Steve,<br /><br />Thx for your kind comments. I think raw organic carrots are great! However for true gut healing, for those who need it, the 'dose' pharmacologically may not be enough. If you read the probiotic studies (or see here or MDA or FTA) what the anectdotal outcomes are, then you may notice a lack of results particularly in those who don't take the whopper commercial probiotics.<br /><br />For me, when I had the parasite, yeasts and bacterial (Morganella morganii) overgrowth, sauerkraut and minimally washed (or not at all) organic carrots were clear not enough. Each person is a unique snowflake -- so possibly for a rare few, that 'dose' would suffice.<br /><br /><br />Eva ~ Sorry I missed your comment. Thank you for writing. Yes I believe UC definitely can benefit from the 7 steps, particularly also an additional targeted 'weeding' and seeding. <br /><br />UC is not different from any other condition: dysbiosis and missing commensals. You need to find out what is overgrowing and what strains are missing<br />--Bifido<br />--Lacto<br />--E coli<br />--etc<br /><br /><br />Liisa, Love your discussions about gardening and DIRRRRRRRRRRRTY living!! I love Finnish grrrls as I work with several at Gluten-Free Shanghai here. http://www.glutenfreeshanghai.com/contact/<br /><br />Yes we do need the beneficial E coli because they are predators and consume pathogenic yeasts and other overgrowths. Yours is too low and the pathogens are too high.<br /><br />The probiotics are fantastic so I am surprised that you are not seeing faster improvement in the halitosis and bloating. Have you considered some weeding? Did you read my post? I had similar problems as you describe but the testing I did was more specific than the CDSA (which clearly sucks -- doesn't provide the parasite or digestive enzyme profiles).<br />http://drbganimalpharm.blogspot.com/2013/09/my-n1-pre-and-post-microbiome-digestion.html<br /><br />Please update us with your progress!<br />Dr. B Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15451872961651116061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-79411154513260231322014-04-08T18:46:57.448-07:002014-04-08T18:46:57.448-07:00Hi Grace
long time since i posted a comment here,...Hi Grace<br /><br />long time since i posted a comment here, but you are a still must read.<br /><br />I was thinking about eating raw, organic carrots without washing them. Companies are selling SBO in a pill. So would it not be better to get the SBO from edible raw organic vegs and fruits?<br /><br />Any thoughts?<br /><br />SteveStevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-73115187924013857032014-04-02T15:07:40.720-07:002014-04-02T15:07:40.720-07:00Liisa - Look for the Sandoor Katz books http://www...Liisa - Look for the Sandoor Katz books http://www.wildfermentation.com/ or similar. Kraut making is easy if you have all the equipment, but you can easily make smaller batches and just eat fresh. I like to make about 10 gallons and store for winter. <br /><br />Good job on compost box! Tim Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01611027687223434753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-18070092527224375692014-04-02T12:25:28.239-07:002014-04-02T12:25:28.239-07:00Waaay ahead of you: we already have a compost box ...Waaay ahead of you: we already have a compost box that also is active during winter. Unfortunately the lake nearby isn't very good for fishing, though. And the baltic sea is the most polluted sea there is (thanks to our neighbors), so it's not the best place to fish either :( <br /><br />Home made sauerkraut sounds amazing! Does it need to be refrigerated or can you keep it in room temperature?<br /><br />-L-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-41857194946839107102014-04-02T11:05:31.306-07:002014-04-02T11:05:31.306-07:00DIRT? I want pictures! Do this...take some pictu...DIRT? I want pictures! Do this...take some pictures of the place, the dirt, and what you grow there. Email them to Grace and maybe she will be kind enough to include them in a blog about healthy dirt someday. <br /><br />My growing season doesn't start until June, too. One of the best crops I grow is cabbage, then make sauerkraut with it. Talk about healthy! <br /><br />Sounds like a fabulous place you have there. I've heard the fishing is good in Finland, too, in case you need another hobby. Fish guts make great garden fertilizer. Start a compost pile, save all your food scraps, weeds, and garden waste and turn them into plant food. Tim Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01611027687223434753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-81209177209484231742014-04-02T10:57:11.402-07:002014-04-02T10:57:11.402-07:00Thank you, Tim, that's what I'll do next s...Thank you, Tim, that's what I'll do next summer!<br /><br />This place is in Finland, so I'll have to wait until June before I can plant anything. Carrots, radishes and lettuce grow very well here, so those I'll plant! And thankfully Finns are used to nudity (own or neighbors'), so I'll enjoy the sun as well :)<br /><br />Maybe I should send you some dirt as a thank you for all your help. It's top quality (both the dirt and the help)! :D <br /><br />LiisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-51614489105494062242014-04-02T10:43:39.463-07:002014-04-02T10:43:39.463-07:00Liisa - Maybe you'd better tell me exactly whe...Liisa - Maybe you'd better tell me exactly where this cottage and fertile garden are located...I will go spend the summer there and let you know if it is suitable. An airplane ticket would be nice, too.<br /><br />Seriously, here's what you do...go out to this magical place as much as you can. Dig in the dirt with your bare hands, walk barefoot, and don't use hand sanitizers. Plant radishes and leafy stuff that grows very fast, and also whatever else grows well in your climate, especially root crops like carrots, beets, etc...<br /><br />When the radishes are ready to eat, pull them from the ground, brush off the big clingy chunks of dirt, maybe blow on them to get most of the grit off, and eat. This is the best dirt, that little bit found clinging to root vegetables. The microbiome of a radish or carrot is very similar to that of a healthy human. The microbes release compounds that protect the root from pathogens, and help it take up nutrients from the soil. <br /><br />Also, similar with lettuce and leafy veggies...pick a handful and eat it right there without excessive scrubbing and rinsing. If there's a big worm or spider, shoo him away, but the plants are very healthy eaten this way. If I'm serving guests, I will wash the leaves and spin them dry...but just for myself, it's from the ground to my mouth. <br /><br />Really, just try to get off the grit, stones, and sand and any obvious stuff that shouldn't be there. <br /><br />Also, if there are no nosy neighbors, get as much time in the sun with as few clothes on as possible. You won't believe how good that is for the soul (and gut). <br /><br />Have fun! Tim Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01611027687223434753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-44724051557907152002014-04-02T09:44:08.187-07:002014-04-02T09:44:08.187-07:00Yes, for sure I have to ask my doctor about these ...Yes, for sure I have to ask my doctor about these gall-problems (although they might also be about my low pancreas function that shows in the stool analysis as well). At the moment I just eat a lot of apples and radishes - they are supposed to dissolve gallstones if there are some.<br /><br />BTW, Grace recommended in one of her posts that one could go to a clean and healthy garden to be in contact with healthy soil. Do you know how this should be done? I have a great place for that: my summer cottage where everything grows incredibly well and where no pesticides or fertilizers have never (literally never, at least for 100 years) been used. Should I eat dirt straight from the ground or how could I use this incredible place for my health?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-21669538088812562132014-04-02T08:59:48.680-07:002014-04-02T08:59:48.680-07:00Liisa - Wow, I think it sounds like you are soooo ...Liisa - Wow, I think it sounds like you are soooo close to getting your problems resolved. I have no doubt your gut flora is jacked-up due to antibiotics and poor diet choices in the past. <br /><br />What you are doing now sounds great. Keep up with everything and give it some time. Try the charcoal/clay, too. I'm still impressed that you have a good growth of bifidobacteria, I think they are somewhat of an indicator that you are not a lost cause. <br /><br />If things don't improve fairly rapidly, at least you know you are doing what you can with diet, probiotics, and lifestyle. You may need bigger interventions than can be diagnosed here. <br /><br />Not sure what effect stone breaking supplements have on gut flora. But if you have gall-bladder issues, best get it looked at professionally. <br /><br />Good luck! Watching video now, thanks!Tim Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01611027687223434753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-67687966616788933622014-04-02T05:55:23.898-07:002014-04-02T05:55:23.898-07:00oh, it seems my last message didn't come troug...oh, it seems my last message didn't come trough. So here goes again:<br /><br />My diet is paleo-like: gluten-free, dairy-free, contains lots of organic real food: meat (mostly beef), fish, vegetables and fruit (especially apples and avocados: I think they fit my diet well because they contain a lot of fiber). For years I ate quite low-carb food and especially avoided root veggies because they made me bloated. Now, of course, I understand that has been a big mistake. So it's not a surprise that things aren't so great right now. I also had a very long antibiotic treatment (6 months or so) for acne when I was younger. That could be the root of all my problems. Never since I've felt completely healthy.<br /><br />For probiotics I take Prescript Assist, Probiotic-3, VSL#3 and some others. I wonder if I should keep taking the probiotic strain of e-coli that has been subscribed to me (Mutaflor). I found an abstract in PubMed where they said that this strain had cured young girl's halitosis. I don't think it has done much for me but at least it increases peristaltic activity in one's gut (I have noticed this, too, when I've taken more than my regular dose).<br /><br />I fond a very interesting video on Dimethylsulfidemia. And if this is the main reason for my halitosis, it might get better if I manage to get my gut flora back to balance:<br /> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Xkr-IIBgY<br /><br />I also forgot to mention that I think I have gall-related problems as well. I haven't been to doctor about this, so it's not verified yet. So there probably is too little bile and enzymes in my gut as well and that could be one reason for my symptoms. I'm trying to deal with this by using stone-breaking supplements and fruit and veggies. <br /><br />So, I'll try my best to keep on track with the diet and supplements. Thank you so much for your help, Tim!<br /><br />-Liisa-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-16565325364054212292014-04-01T12:51:35.966-07:002014-04-01T12:51:35.966-07:00Liisa - Sure, get some clay or charcoal and follow...Liisa - Sure, get some clay or charcoal and follow the directions. Definitely won't hurt--animals do it.<br /><br />My guess is that you probably do have some overgrowth, but that you also have a fairly good set of microbes that will come to your rescue if you can help them out.<br /><br />Not sure how your diet looks, but I would be eating lots of fish and lamb, lots of starchy veggies like potatoes and rice--pre-cooked then cooled overnight, you can heat them back up, this will make lots of RS.<br /><br />Also lots of good leafy veggies, root veggies, and colorful fruits and veggies. <br /><br />Can you get the other probiotics Grace recommends? AOR Pro-3 and Primal Defense? I'd try those, too, and also get a cheap brand with as many lactobacillus and bifidobacteria as possible. <br /><br />Eat lots of fermented foods like we mentioned. <br /><br />And, don't go crazy with everything at once. I think you are making some very smart moves and you have a lab report to look at. Keep with the good diet and probiotics and watch for changes. If you do too much at once and things get worse, it's hard to tell what caused the problems. <br /><br />I'll get back with you on some ideas about the breath issue...Tim Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01611027687223434753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-37511883829176342642014-04-01T12:38:12.415-07:002014-04-01T12:38:12.415-07:00Hi again, Tim!
Yes, NG means No Growth.
I think...Hi again, Tim!<br /><br />Yes, NG means No Growth. <br /><br />I think there are beneficial e-coli strains (which I don't have) and pathogenic and non-pathongenic strains.<br /><br />I'm confused about those other bacteria, too. The fact that there are so many heavily growing strains isn't good because it means the microbiology isn't balanced. All of them were labelled as non-pathogens (only "Bacillus species" was marked as possible pathogen if it's 4+ but I only had 1+, so It should be ok).<br /><br />Bloating, acid reflux and halitosis are the main symptoms. I also have loose stools quite often (I've never had constipation in my life: I don't even know what it's like). Recently I've also lost about 1/4 (or more) of my hair, so something is definitely going on. <br /><br />Do you think bentonite clay or charcoal would be beneficial for me? Maybe they would help me get rid of the unwanted bacteria?<br /><br />BTW, thank you for telling me about the lactobacilli! I had no idea they can be undetectable even if there's enough of them.<br /><br />LiisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-73079626175141927162014-04-01T12:23:54.126-07:002014-04-01T12:23:54.126-07:00Liisa - Don't freak out just yet, please. I&#...Liisa - Don't freak out just yet, please. I'm no doctor. <br /><br />Of this list, I assume 'NG' means 'none seen'. If so, these look normal:<br />Beneficial bacteria: <br />Lactobacillus species: NG<br />Escherichia coli: NG<br />Bifidobacterium: 2+<br /><br />It's great that you have bifidobacteria, many people have none. The NG E. coli is fine, too. If you have none, it doesn't seem to matter. It is present in most people, but I guess I'm confused because it shows up below, as 4+. Most people don't show lots of lactobacillus, either. It just doesn't seem to thrive in huge colonies that can be detected in the stool. It may even be growing (normally) in the small intestine and not leave much evidence in the fecal sample.<br /><br />On these:<br /><br />Additional bacteria: <br />gamma haemolytic Streptococcus 3+<br />Bacillus species 1+<br />Mucoid Escherichia coli 4+<br />Haemolytic Eschericia coli 4+<br />Streptococcus agalactiae gp B 2+<br /><br />These are the ones that confuse me. But I guess the report indicates that they aren't outright pathogens, at least. <br /><br />Your pH of 6.2 is actually very good. The bifido are liking it, which is a very good thing.<br /><br />So your biggest issues are bloating, acid reflux and bad breath. Are you on any medicine?<br /><br />Hopefully Grace can comment, but until then, keep calm and continue what you are doing. <br /><br />Keep going with the RS, have you tried banana flour, green bananas, glucomannan, or plants with inulin? These will all help get your good bacteria to crowd out bad. <br /><br /> Tim Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01611027687223434753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-28229039061659404442014-04-01T11:56:16.672-07:002014-04-01T11:56:16.672-07:00Thank you, Tim, for your answer!
My doctor didn&...Thank you, Tim, for your answer! <br /><br />My doctor didn't even comment on these bacteria. He was more interested in the lack of beneficial bacteria and other parameters. <br /><br />I wonder why those e-coli strains were marked as non-pathogens (the tests I took was Genova Diagnostics CDSA2). Maybe they are, after all, part of normal gut flora (although it was really interesting what was said in your link about the connection between cystic fibrosis and mucoid e-coli). To be honest I'm terrified right now…<br /><br />Do you have any idea how I could fix these problems (especially those e-coli strains)? I'm already following the 7-step protocol for SIBO (well, most of it: I still don't walk enough and the amount of RS could be bigger). It's hard to say if these have helped because it's been 6 months since my last control labs. I think bloating isn't as bad as before, so maybe there's some progress…<br /><br />Thank you again for helping me out!<br /><br />LiisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-69996383651662050032014-04-01T09:56:07.547-07:002014-04-01T09:56:07.547-07:00Liisa - Hopefully Grace will have a look, too, but...Liisa - Hopefully Grace will have a look, too, but those two e. coli strains you have at 4+ are a sort of red flag to me.<br /><br />Mucoid Escherichia coli - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6785645 Looks like it can also infect lungs and respiratory tract. Maybe cause of bad breath? <br /><br />Haemolytic Eschericia coli - If it's the same as 'Enterohemorrhagic E. coli (EHEC) cause haemorrhagic colitis and haemolytic uraemia syndrome. E. coli O157:H7 is the principal stereotype in this group.' also looks very bad! <br /><br />http://www.microbiologybytes.com/video/Ecoli.html<br /><br />Has a doctor looked at these results? Tim Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01611027687223434753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-79726089825327938192014-04-01T06:50:52.548-07:002014-04-01T06:50:52.548-07:00Thank you SO MUCH for your blog! I have learned so...Thank you SO MUCH for your blog! I have learned so much from you and very much appreciate you sharing all the information!<br /><br />I suppose that I have SIBO as well. I have had different symptoms (mostly bloating and acid reflux) over the past 15 years and also my stool analysis showed problems with my gut. <br /><br />I understand that you must be very busy but I haven't been able to find a doctor who could help me (I don't think there are any in my country) with this and that's why I would like to ask your opinion on my gut analysis. I don't know which results are useful considering SIBO so I'll add them all here: <br /><br />Pancreatic elastase 1: 230 mcg/g (quite low on the reference range)<br />Putrefactive SCFAs (total): 3,8 micromol/g (middle range)<br />Esinophil protein <0.7 mcg/g (low)<br />Calprotectin <16 mcg/g (low)<br />Beneficial SCFAs (total): 61,5 micromol/g (high)<br />n-butyrate 12.8 micromol/g (ok?)<br />pH 6.2 (quite low)<br />Beta-gglucuronidase 4379 U/g (quite high)<br />Lithocholic acid (LCA) 1.33 mg/g (quite low)<br />Deoxycholic acid (DCA) 2.39 mg/g (middle range)<br />LCA/DCA ratio 0.56 (quite low)<br /><br />Beneficial bacteria: <br />Lactobacillus species: NG<br />Escherichia coli: NG<br />Bifidobacterium: 2+<br /><br />Additional bacteria: <br />gamma haemolytic Streptococcus 3+<br />Bacillus species 1+<br />Mucoid Escherichia coli 4+<br />Haemolytic Eschericia coli 4+<br />Streptococcus agalactiae gp B 2+ <br /><br />I also had Rhodotorula yeast and Blastocystis hominis parasite but both of them are succesfully eradicted. However, instead of Rhodotorula, I had Candida kruseii (1+) on the control sample (and probably still have because it hasn't been treated in any way).<br /><br />Luckily none of this additional bacteria and yeasts are known pathogens. And that, I think, is the only luck I've got :(<br />Even I can tell these results don't seem good at all :( Beneficial bacteria are missing and instead I have plenty of other bacteria growing heavily in my gut. I understand this is my colon microbiology that was examined and it's different from the small intestine microbiology but I suppose this could tell a story or two about my small intestine, too.<br /><br />What I don't know if the other results point to SIBO or not. <br /><br />I have added potato starch to my regime and I take Prescript Assist daily. I also eat paleo-like food (and have done that for about 2 years). Everything should be under control but it's not. The worst thing about this is that I have a bad breath. There's nothing wrong with my teeth, and my dental hygiene protocol is impeccable (obsessive even), so the smell must come from my intestines. I could take all the other symptoms but this is too much: I hate to smell bad but there's absolutely nothing I can do about it (believe me, I've tried everything). I suppose it's the e-coli bacteria that is causing this because there has been studies that show that people with halitosis have more e-coli in their guts than others and I have two strains that are both 4+. I suppose e-coli (or some of the other bacteria) emits DMS and that causes my bad breath.<br /><br />I have a prescription for a beneficial strain of e-coli (probiotic strain) but it doesn't seem to set a home in my gut. The last stool analysis still showed no growth. I also don't know if I should take it at all: maybe it makes the assumed DMS-problem worse.<br /><br />I apologise for this long and incoherent post (writing in English is a bit tricky for me). I hope you have time to take a look at my lab results. If you don't that's ok, too (I totally understand)! Anyway, I want to say thank you one more time and wish you sunny spring days!<br /><br />Kind regards, LiisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-75457436666912852182014-03-11T10:08:03.481-07:002014-03-11T10:08:03.481-07:00Hey all,
Maybe you can or someone else out there ...Hey all,<br /><br />Maybe you can or someone else out there can help me with this (I posted this at MDA as well so sorry if this is a repeat for anyone). I've been supplementing with the RS for maybe 2 months now (it took a few weeks for me to build up to 4 tbs. of PS and plantain flour). About 2 or 3 weeks ago I noticed a rash slowly, steadily developing under my forearms. Since then my rash (maybe eczema? don't know, never had it before) has exploded on my arms, abdomen, legs and behind the knees. Luckily it hasn't reached my face but I'm getting a little worried. Unfortunately, I have a problem with jumping in to things too quickly and I added several things around the same time which really mucks up trying to pinpoint any one thing. <br /><br />I'm wondering if it started around the time that I started adding the AOR Pro-3 (I had been on PA for a long time before, it ran out when the PA came so I was not taking it when rash started) as well as L. plantarum. However, I also added some novel (for me) prebiotic foods around the same time as well (dehydrated burdock, dandelion, maca and more recently jerusalem artichoke). More recently I started making my own kefir from grains and while I haven't consumed much directly (because kefir is so strong I have a pretty intense reaction to it) I have definitely come in contact while making and serving it to my family (I'll lick my finger if I get some on it or have a teaspoon to my RS drink). To complicate things further I had also started supplementing with MSM around the same time (I added this after reading some stuff in the comments here but I have since stopped).<br /><br />Maybe this is a histamine situation, something to do with the accumulated effects? I've read that Lactobacillus, Clostridium and Streptococcus are histamine producing. Obviously, they are normal gut residents but maybe I'm just not ready to process the increase in histamine production (maybe I'm answering my own question)? <br />My plan right now is to stop everything for a couple of days (even RS which I've been getting from Bob's PS and Berry Farm's Plantain flour, I stopped fermented foods a few days ago though it hasn't made a difference). I'm afraid that the answer is going to be that I need to go much, much more slowly (my least favorite thing to do!). I'm pretty sure my bug numbers are low and some or several are absent entirely.<br /><br />I'm probably leaving out important details (I've also had an increase in brain fog and fatigue) but I think those are the relevant facts. Any thoughts would be appreciated. <br /><br />Thanks!<br />JLowBugJLowBugnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-56268563867039558882014-03-08T09:09:09.861-08:002014-03-08T09:09:09.861-08:00Thanks SP, I'll look into it. I've never h...Thanks SP, I'll look into it. I've never heard of MSM being good against fungal infections before. If my test results indicate a fungal infection I'll give it a try.Eriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-5642073304182879582014-03-07T23:18:10.376-08:002014-03-07T23:18:10.376-08:00Erik, that is what Keith Bell suggested few posts ...Erik, that is what Keith Bell suggested few posts above to me.<br />"I know I sound like a broken record, but there's a reason sulfur is known as the world's oldest anytifungal used on crops. Simply adding probiotics to balance may not be enough, or they might need a little help to establish in the face of yeast overgrowth. Try OptiMSM for rosacea in therapeutic doses of about 10 grams daily in three divided doses. Plenty of testimonials on the net. This study combines it with milk thistle for liver support to good effect:<br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18254805"<br /><br />I have both dermatitis and rosacea.<br /><br />You are right, dermatitis is better but Rosacea is worse for some odd reason. At least for now<br /><br />-SPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-2559601989824116302014-03-07T02:18:35.826-08:002014-03-07T02:18:35.826-08:00G - Thanks for your feedback and the article, it i...G - Thanks for your feedback and the article, it is very informative! I've never really looked into mercury poisoning or other toxins. I've been following PHD diet and lifestyle for almost two years now, which is supposed to minimize toxin exposure, and I wouldn't know of any particular reason why I'd be exposed to more toxins than normal individuals.<br /><br />I've also been following your SIBO protocol as much as possible for the last few months. It's definitely having a positive effect, but it hasn't completely solved my problems (yet). I think I need to do more testing so that I can address possible fungal/bacterial overgrowth more effectively.<br /><br /><br />The Natural - I've decided to do the Organix Comprehensive Profile from Metametrix/Genova Diagnostics. I'll post my results when they come in.<br /><br /><br />SP - I've been following the SIBO protocol (if that's the one you're referring to) for a few months now and it's having a positive effect (less eczema, better digestion), but it hasn't completely solved my issues (yet). I haven't taken MSM. Do you suggest taking it? What's does it do?<br />Eriknoreply@blogger.com