tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post1913904204218149152..comments2023-11-30T00:29:08.106-08:00Comments on Animal Pharm: Meat Science: Meat and Omega-3 as ACE-InhibitorsDr. B Ghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15451872961651116061noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-20091657848762359872010-07-21T22:14:02.884-07:002010-07-21T22:14:02.884-07:00stephen,
Yes I read it earlier today and that is ...stephen,<br /><br />Yes I read it earlier today and that is another epic, erudite (FUNNY) post from Dr. Harris. <br /><br />Centenarian studies back it up -- sdLDL range 20-30+% of the total LDL and they are completely, totally healthy... physically and mentally. A CETP SNP was one variable in Ashkenazi Jewish however that is not replicable in our centenarian or long-living subpopulations it turns out! High trad'l schmaltz diet? Other genetic adaptive advantages that we do not recognize or understand yet?<br /><br />However if one has already had disease of coronary or renal or cerebral or peripheral arteries or heart failure, then one has to figure out why that occurred in the first place. If disease occurred at a level where the sdLDL% was 10% -- well that 10% is probably a bit too high for that individual. The 90% of large buoyant LDL fraction are probably dysfunctional as well. In all the clinical trials in humans with chronic diseases that I've seen, when the sdLDL% decreases, many other biomarkers of health status improve as well with the intervention (e.g. exercise, diet, omega-3, vitamin D, etc).<br /><br />Kurt knows how feel but I don't think EBCT or CAC assessments are necessary. NMR and BHL testing are additionaly superfluous (and d*mn f*ckin expensive all told) when diet, supplements, sleep and exercise are in line...<br /><br />High blood pressure is another indicator of calcifications. If everything is working right, the BP should be normalizing over 6 to 24 months. If not, then something is absolutely not right. (e.g. statins -- statins s*ck; hormonal imbalances... s*ck too)<br /><br />Sources of inflammation which lead to elevated sdLDL need to be identified, located then extinguished. <br /><br />I agree with him as well that the best strategy is a evo/paleonu approach.<br /><br />However value in supplemental approaches is something traditionally trained physicians fail to grasp and take advantage of. It is great that Harris and other evo/paleo docs are so open minded.<br /><br />Indeed pharmaceuticals are actually all around us -- food, omega-3 fish oil, magnesium supplements, K2 drops -- call a rose by any other name...! <br /><br />-GDr. B Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15451872961651116061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-38961677923354323272010-07-21T22:13:52.336-07:002010-07-21T22:13:52.336-07:00stephen,
Yes I read it earlier today and that is ...stephen,<br /><br />Yes I read it earlier today and that is another epic, erudite (FUNNY) post from Dr. Harris. <br /><br />Centenarian studies back it up -- sdLDL range 20-30+% of the total LDL and they are completely, totally healthy... physically and mentally. A CETP SNP was one variable in Ashkenazi Jewish however that is not replicable in our centenarian or long-living subpopulations it turns out! High trad'l schmaltz diet? Other genetic adaptive advantages that we do not recognize or understand yet?<br /><br />However if one has already had disease of coronary or renal or cerebral or peripheral arteries or heart failure, then one has to figure out why that occurred in the first place. If disease occurred at a level where the sdLDL% was 10% -- well that 10% is probably a bit too high for that individual. The 90% of large buoyant LDL fraction are probably dysfunctional as well. In all the clinical trials in humans with chronic diseases that I've seen, when the sdLDL% decreases, many other biomarkers of health status improve as well with the intervention (e.g. exercise, diet, omega-3, vitamin D, etc).<br /><br />Kurt knows how feel but I don't think EBCT or CAC assessments are necessary. NMR and BHL testing are additionaly superfluous (and d*mn f*ckin expensive all told) when diet, supplements, sleep and exercise are in line...<br /><br />High blood pressure is another indicator of calcifications. If everything is working right, the BP should be normalizing over 6 to 24 months. If not, then something is absolutely not right. (e.g. statins -- statins s*ck; hormonal imbalances... s*ck too)<br /><br />Sources of inflammation which lead to elevated sdLDL need to be identified, located then extinguished. <br /><br />I agree with him as well that the best strategy is a evo/paleonu approach.<br /><br />However value in supplemental approaches is something traditionally trained physicians fail to grasp and take advantage of. It is great that Harris and other evo/paleo docs are so open minded.<br /><br />Indeed pharmaceuticals are actually all around us -- food, omega-3 fish oil, magnesium supplements, K2 drops -- call a rose by any other name...! <br /><br />-GDr. B Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15451872961651116061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-82526376632927773102010-07-21T21:43:42.034-07:002010-07-21T21:43:42.034-07:00like reading Dr. Harris' blog:
Below is from...like reading Dr. Harris' blog: <br /><br />Below is from his Statins and the Cholesterol Hypothesis – Part I Posting:<br /><br />"I do not believe in any of the versions of the lipid hypothesis, ranging from Ancel Keys' original idea that cholesterol or dietary fat clogs the arteries, to the currently fashionable one that “small, dense” LDL particles are like microscopic rodents that are designed to burrow under the intima of your blood vessels and kill you."<br /><br />http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2010/7/21/statins-and-the-cholesterol-hypothesis-part-i.html<br /><br />It is a interesting read and I wonder what you think about this post.<br /><br />Especially the part he says the “small, dense LDL particles" don't hurt us.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01523240737889150315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-4580226038233497152010-07-21T19:04:49.752-07:002010-07-21T19:04:49.752-07:00Now I am angry:
Campbell:
"Before proceedin...Now I am angry:<br /><br />Campbell:<br /><br /><b><i>"Before proceeding further, however, I would like to make a general comment about my approach in responding to Denise. I believe Denise is a very intelligent person, and I can see how she might reach the conclusions she did; this is easy to do for someone without extensive scientific research experience. Having said this, there are fundamental flaws in her reasoning, and it is these flaws that I will address in this paper. Some might wonder, “Why didn’t he go through her laundry list of claims and address each one in the same order?” The answer is simple: these claims are derived from the same faulty reasoning, so it is this underlying problem that I will address. I do in fact illustrate this point by addressing one of her claims regarding wheat, and the reader can assume that one could go through a similar exercise with all her claims...<br /><br />Denise makes a point concerning a highly significant (but unadjusted) univariate correlation between wheat flour consumption and two cardiovascular diseases plus a couple other diseases. In doing so, she infers that wheat flour causes these cardiovascular diseases. She also makes the point that “none of these correlations appear to be tangled with any risk-heightening variables, either.” And further, she implies that I ignored this potentially important correlation, perhaps intentionally, because of my alleged bias against meat. I use this particular example here because others who very much dislike my views have pointed out on the Internet that this example cited by Denise represents evidence of my lack of integrity...<br /><br />Not only does Denise misrepresent and misunderstand the rationale for the science in The China Study, her choice of words do not facilitate what she hopes to achieve. Her overall message, often embellished with adjectives and subjective remarks, appeals to some questionable characters sympathetic to or subservient to the Weston A Price Foundation, a farm lobbying group whose advocates and apologists have accused me of being a “fraud”, a “liar”, a “buffoon” and (earlier) an associate of a “terrorist” organization. I doubt that this is what she wanted to achieve. These individuals, for much too long, have been carelessly using or even ignoring science to further their own interests, such as advocating for the use of a very high fat, high protein diet mostly consistent with the diet that has caused us so much difficulty."</i></b><br /><br />The Whole Response here ===> http://campbellcoalition.com/?p=142<br /><br />so now Denise Minger is writing a Response to Campbell's response.<br />http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/22/super-quick-china-study-update/<br /><br />Wow again attacking Denise again instead of her analysis of the China Study. <br /><br /><b>Campbell do you have no shame?</b>Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01523240737889150315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-3868056359501031072010-07-19T22:29:27.844-07:002010-07-19T22:29:27.844-07:00Jake
What did you do?Jake<br /><br />What did you do?Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01523240737889150315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-50907694371593618982010-07-19T22:04:04.068-07:002010-07-19T22:04:04.068-07:00Jake,
You did it.
Ahhh AH... Congratulations! Th...Jake,<br /><br />You did it.<br /><br />Ahhh AH... Congratulations! That's WONDERFUL. I can't wait to see awfully HAAAWWT body... of evidence for revolutionary and evolutionary health *winky*<br /><br />-GDr. B Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15451872961651116061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-39857285754814702242010-07-19T21:52:36.244-07:002010-07-19T21:52:36.244-07:00Over a year ago I did most of the things you said ...Over a year ago I did most of the things you said to reduce my blood pressure.<br /><br />At that time, my blood pressure was 140/90 without medication. With an ACE inhibitor, my blood pressure was 130/85.<br /><br />Now my blood pressure is 118/70 and I am off of blood pressure medicine.<br /><br />Thank you Dr. B GJakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09208548778259311459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-71349040540217831352010-07-19T21:38:50.625-07:002010-07-19T21:38:50.625-07:00stephen,
Campbell is transparent? Have you seen R...stephen,<br /><br />Campbell is transparent? Have you seen Richard Nikoley's comments directed toward him on the amazon.com pages for the China Study? Campbell is a tried and true arrogant turd...<br /><br /><br />Daniel,<br /><br />Well -- industry meat will accumulate damages because as you mentioned they are higher in omega-6 due to grain feeding. Pastured and grassfed pork, chicken and beef apparently seem to have much lower n-6 and significantly higher n-3.<br /><br />Cover bets with high quality fish oil supplements. With the Florida incidence, I think prices will sky rocket later... <br /><br />Yes -- immunosuppression and affects on clotting factors may occur with supratherapeutic dosages of omega-3. I've only seen nose bleeds in those prone and in those in renal failure. Something about the kidneys affects platelet and clotting factor function...<br /><br /><br />Jake!<br /><br />PATIENCE -- it's evolving *haaa ah!* D*MN -- sorry, I always press the publish 'button' by accident.<br /><br />-GDr. B Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15451872961651116061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-88939777580303420372010-07-19T21:28:32.387-07:002010-07-19T21:28:32.387-07:00"Carnivorous Neanderthals and Why Failure To ..."Carnivorous Neanderthals and Why Failure To Evolve?" is on your RSS feed but in not on your blog.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09208548778259311459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-48730484505561919272010-07-19T18:02:10.055-07:002010-07-19T18:02:10.055-07:00I'm going to start taking away the captopril o...I'm going to start taking away the captopril of patients I see and writing 'scripts for grass fed meat. :)Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07000362967107422435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-61281208776904346802010-07-19T12:20:39.517-07:002010-07-19T12:20:39.517-07:00Thanks for your post. I agree with you that we nee...Thanks for your post. I agree with you that we need to reduce our stress, balance our omega 6 and 3 ratio, and keep our insulin low to be free from many metabolic diseases in the future.<br /><br />Do you recommend limiting our chicken and pork intake? since even if these animals are pastured, most of them are feed with grains which raised their omega 6 content in their fat. Also, can a high dose of fish oil daily be bad for health after a certain level?Danielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780103924890350442.post-9078436896141875742010-07-19T11:33:55.259-07:002010-07-19T11:33:55.259-07:00I am not a numbers guy, but I do common sense very...I am not a numbers guy, but I do common sense very well.<br /><br />First it is scientist’s job to defend his work. The fact Campbell says he has better things to do than answer criticism of his work is very telling. <br /><br />Second, the fact he attacks Denise instead of Denise’s analysis of the China Study tells me, he has no good answers to Denise’s analysis of the China Study.<br /><br />Well like I said you do not need to understand numbers to understand who won this argument.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01523240737889150315noreply@blogger.com